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The Renegade Boomer Podcast Episode 5 with Natalie Ledwell

Featuring Natalie Ledwell

Episode 005 Manifesting Multiplier

Ready to multiply the power to manifest what you truly desire in life? If so, you’re going to gain SO many insights from my conversation with Dame Natalie Ledwell today! Yes it’s true. She was knighted in 2020. As in scepters and official royal designations. 👑 More about that in the first few minutes! And if you think manifesting is all about nothing more meaningful than oodles of fancy possessions, think again. This is all about powerful brain-based practices that are now being channeled into schools to change the lives of kids from Liberia to Texas. For real! If you think the world could use more positivity, this is how we do it. We discuss all this and more on today’s podcast.



Favorite Quotes

“At 50? Are you kidding me? I’m just getting started. Bring it!” Natalie Ledwell

Favorite Moments from the Interview

In this episode Natalie takes us through a step by step process to manifest whatever it is that you are calling in. This was so practical and helpful and I can’t wait to for YOU to hear it.

Why the Renegade Boomer Community will love it

We go way beyond the typical tips for manifesting.

Everything from why we both resonate with hummingbirds to six simple steps to add exponential power to your ability to create what you want most.

You might want to watch this one with your notepad handy, so you don’t miss ANY of Natalie’s six powerful steps.

The impact of Natalie’s programs has huge potential to literally change the world.

Because as you’ll soon see, in many ways, this is more about giving than receiving.

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[00:00:00] Tina: Hey everybody. Thanks for joining us today on the Renegade Boomer™ Podcast. This is Tina Lorenz, your host and guide, and I’m really excited today to speak with my friend Natalie Ledwell.

We’ve known each other actually a long time. We’ll talk a little bit about that. But she’s a bestselling author, the host of the podcast “Not Over, Just Different” (I think we can all relate to that concept), and Founder of Mind Movies, the hugely successful and revolutionary online personal development company that’s reached over 10 million people worldwide, talk about having impact.

And I’m so excited to talk to her today about her new brand because she has a groundbreaking Social and Emotional Learning Curriculum called Personal Growth Studies that’s going into schools in the United States to work with and empower youth between the ages of 5 to 18 to help them live fulfilling lives, happier lives, more successful, and boy, do we need that right now.

[00:00:48] Natalie: Mm-hmm.

[00:00:48] Tina: This all started when in 2018, Natalie went to Liberia and met with government officials there and started putting this type of program into the schools there. That’s been running now for the last several years, serving over a thousand students at least. And I think one of the most fun parts of this though is that in 2020, Natalie had the immense honor of being knighted by the Orthodox Order of St. John. It’s a humanitarian group recognizing individuals who are doing great work for humanity in the world. It’s not every day I get to interview royalty, but welcome, Natalie.

[00:01:22] Natalie: Dame Natalie to you, darling. No.

[00:01:24] Tina: Queen. Your Royal Highness.

[00:01:27] Natalie: Oh, hello honey. Great to see you. Great to be here. And I’m really looking forward to our conversation today.

[00:01:33] Tina: Me too. And so, well we’ve shared a lot of laughs over the years now and then, and actually Mind Movies was how we met.

We were both in Frank Kern’s mastermind back in the day. And we had so much fun. I’ve told the story many times of how Mind Movies came to life because I worked on it with you guys and it’s come a long, long way.

[00:01:52] Natalie: Well, actually, you were one of a very small number of people who took a leap of faith with us. We needed a copywriter and we were over here in the US. We just joined the mastermind together. We had no money. We were living on fumes and we said, “Look, we can pay you a percentage of the launch.” So you kind of took a leap of faith and went, “Okay, I believe in you guys. I can help you with this.” And thankfully, in the end, it all paid off so very nicely.

[00:02:20] Tina: Is that 10 million that I’d say as far as worldwide? And just really changing lives and I commented to Natalie about the hummingbirds on the wall behind her because hummingbirds are kind of my thing too because they do the impossible, fly upside down, you know, do somersaults, whatever they may do.

I’ve had personal visits with hummingbirds that have allowed me to hold them, you know, so I have kind of a special place in my heart for them. But what do they mean to you, Natalie?

[00:02:44] Natalie: So spiritually, I’m surrounded by hummingbirds. I actually have them tattooed on my ankle, and you can’t see this, but I have a hummingbird feeder. Now, I’m in an apartment on the 10th floor. So, I have a little hummingbird feeder here. So all day, I get to see them coming in and out. So for me, they really signified that the impossible is possible, which really is the mantra for my life.

[00:03:07] Tina: You know, I’ve often told people when I’ve taught copywriting, stay three steps ahead. And we did that with Mind Movies for sure. I mean, I remember we were looking at Jeff Walker’s “how to launch things” (i.e. Product Launch Formula) and literally reading the instructions. Okay, here’s what we need to do next. And then we’d put together the strategy, get the copy written, and did almost a million dollars on the very first one, right?

[00:03:24] Natalie: Well, yeah. The story itself is interesting because we actually did around $700,000 on that launch, which in September 2008 when the economic crisis has hit the planet and everyone’s losing everything, we had the most successful week of our lives. But remember we had this whole situation where PayPal froze our account with like $500,000 in it and kept giving this lame excuse of, “Well, you could get some refunds.”

We’re like, “Well, we will if you can’t release some of the funds.” And after six months of them keeping on moving the goalpost, we actually got another friend of ours who was in that mastermind, Denise Gosnell, come in, and she’s a lawyer. She went to town. Oh, she was amazing. She really let them have it. So they released the money. But when we got the money back to Australia, cuz we’re an Australian company, we earned over $250,000 in the exchange rate, getting the money back to Australia. So we technically did a million dollar launch but not the way I recommend.

[00:04:21] Tina: Absolutely. But I think there’s so many lessons in that that go along with how we think, and that’s what Mind Movies is all about, choosing the pathways of what you’re gonna think and creating those neural pathways. And if you had given up, if you just said, “Well, this isn’t gonna work because look, we have an obstacle.” And look what happened.

[00:04:37] Natalie: There were so many obstacles. So many. Like, our email delivery system shut down our account because we were getting that many opt-ins so quickly, they believed we were doing something illegal, so we had to get Frank to call them and go, “No!”

You know, we had people freaking out because the gift that we were giving away, the pre-made Mind Movies, had “pornography” in it, which meant they had women in bikinis in it. Australian and American had very different, you know, viewpoints on that. So we had to change all those photos.

There was just so many things that were going wrong. And I think the worst one was that the apartment that we were renting cuz it was cheap cuz, you know, we don’t have a lot of money, was under the flight path of San Diego Airport. So plane’s going over us the whole time.

[00:05:18] Tina: I’ve never seen videos with the sound of low-flying aircraft.

[00:05:23] Natalie: It took 30 takes for one video because we had to keep stopping and waiting for the planes to go past. It was crazy.

[00:05:28] Tina: Well, I hope this is a lesson to anyone watching this about the stick-to-itiveness, the aspect of really being committed to what it is that we choose to achieve, the paths we wanna go down.

And I love that now, this is in schools. Could you tell us a little more about how that works? Because all you have to do is turn on the news for five minutes any day, any day of the week, and see the lesson there of why we need to have this happening at a much younger age. So could you explain more about how your program works?

[00:05:55] Natalie: Yeah. So we started Mind Movies when I was like 39, 40 years old. So I’m learning all these new skills and all these things for the first time, and at 40 you kind of like, “Ah, I think I don’t wanna be learning anything new.” I was really outside my comfort zone.

So then at the age of 50, I thought, well, what’s my new challenge? Let’s, you know, go into education. Which is, again, I left school when I finished year 10. I was 15 years old. So, you know, I have my school certificate, and I don’t have children. But, there’s so much going on in the world and there’s so many things that I feel like I could make a contribution to.

I wanna move the needle. I wanna do something where I feel like I can really make a difference. So I had to choose a lane, and so kids were definitely something that I really felt passionate about.

And I teamed up with a colleague of mine who’s had many years of experience and got multiple Masters’ degrees in child psychology and we created a program.

It’s kind of like it’s life skills. It’s emotional intelligence. It’s things like gratitude and empathy and meditation and Mind Movies obviously. And just going through the different developmental levels of where they are as children, which in the last two years, a lot of kids got to miss out on because they were learning remotely.

And so, I’ve been working on this program for a number of years. I mean, I’m 53. I’m just about to turn 54, so that’s how long I’ve been working on the program. But now, it just seems to be the time for something like this.

And I have moments where I go, what was I thinking going into schools in the US, like the politicking and right now teachers are resigning in droves because of the stress level. It’s just a crazy time. So, I know that I can make anything happen and I’ve got enough proof in my life to back that up. But if I pull this off, it’s gonna be like the biggest coup of my life.

But at the moment, we’ve actually been working with a charter school in Miami. We now are gonna start a pilot program with two schools in Houston, two middle schools in Houston, which will open up the gateway for Texas for us. So Texas has a mandate that schools have to have the Social and Emotional Learning Curriculum.

And the cool thing about the program that we have, it really totally is child psychology. It’s a bit of science, a little bit of life skills and everything, but it’s very vanilla. But it’s designed not just to help the children but to help teachers. And then we also have a parents program as well because, you know, we all need help right now. And I think this is a place that I really feel like I could make a difference.

[00:08:24] Tina: Wow. I feel positive it will make a difference. And I don’t think it’s an if for you, I think it’s just unfolding.

[00:08:30] Natalie: When. Yeah.

[00:08:31] Tina: So when you talk about, “Well, that includes Mind Movies,” there might be people watching this that don’t really know Mind Movies, how that works. So could you explain that for us?

[00:08:38] Natalie: Yeah. When we first started, when we came up with this idea was back when The Secret was a big deal. The Secret was released in 2006. It’s a movie and a book, and it talks a lot about the law of attraction. And it had just been on Oprah. Oprah got the book. She did the show with Jack Canfield and Lisa Nichols and those guys.

And everyone was talking about law of attraction or manifesting. And part of that process is being able to see yourself in your mind already having this thing, already living this life. And it’s not just the fact that you can see yourself already driving that car or living in the house or on the vacation, but you’ve gotta feel the emotions of what it will feel like when you’re actually there, cuz you’ve gotta combine the two of those.

And so to help people do that, what they would do is create a vision board, which is something they featured in The Secret and a vision board is basically photos of the house or the vacation, or the car or the whatever so that when you look at these pictures, it’s easier for you to see yourself in that car or in that house.

So Mind Movies kind of takes it a little step further and we come up with this cool little idea of making a little slideshow or a little movie that describes what it is that you want and you describe it not just with pictures but also with affirmations. So you combine the affirmations and photos together, and then you lay over the top of that music.

Now, the music is important and is kind of the secret sauce because it helps you to emotionally get to where it is that you want to be. I created a love mind movie at the beginning of 2020. I’m like, this is the year I’m gonna do it. And of course I used a love song because, you know, I wanted to feel love.

And then the pandemic hit and I’m like, oh, that’s gonna throw a bit of a wrench in the works. But in the end it was a godsend because I think beforehand the universe is going, “Really, you wanna find love? There’s nothing on your calendar to suggest that you have time for that.” And then when I have all the time in the world, it’s amazing, you know, the love that you can call in.

So, you know, you choose a song that’s relevant to the theme of your mind movie as well. And we created software so people can create these movies for themselves. So it’s their dreams, their life, who they wanna be, that they get to describe. And then you download it to your phone or your computer or your tablet, and then you watch it on a regular basis because it helps, number one, to remind you of what it is that you’re moving towards and the goals that you want to achieve. But it helps you to very easily, emotionally and visually in your mind, put yourself in that future.

[00:11:09] Tina: Yeah. And it’s so important cuz it’s actually, without saying all the big words, it really taps into neuroscience and the plasticity of our brains and how we create those new neural pathways. And when you add that emotion, like you’re talking about, it’s like a signal to our brain of, “Hey, this is important to me, brain.”

And so it starts rising at the top of all those files, shall we say, that are embedded in our brains, our own personal operating system, right?

[00:11:30] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:11:31] Tina: So it just makes sense really that the more we enforce that and feel the emotion, because it has to have that kind of heart and soul that goes with it. That’s the real ultimate signal to our brains that, “Pay attention to this,” right?

[00:11:43] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:11:44] Tina: And what you focus on, you tend to create. You hinted that you created love in your own life. I found it was pretty close to home. I think I recall the story of meeting the love of your life. Do you feel like there’s a component that we don’t always know the how, it’s just more about believing and really embracing the what and the how starts to unfold? What do you think about that?

[00:12:03] Natalie: Oh, absolutely. And I even found this confusing when I first was introduced to the concept of law of attraction. They go, “You don’t need to know how. You just need to know what.” And you’re like, “Yeah, but I kind of need to know how. Like, what do you mean I don’t need to know how?”

So in the beginning, when you are starting to design this life, and describe it in your mind movie and, you know, start to visualize it, you don’t necessarily need to know how then. But a how will eventually reveal itself to you because when we talk about the basics of the law of attraction, we’re talking about energy, like energy attracting like energy.

We know that everything on the planet is made up of energy resonating in different frequencies. So for us to attract what it is that we want, we need to resonate at that same frequency as the car and the vacation and the house and the life and everything that we want.

So how do we manipulate our frequency? How do we change that? Well, our thoughts and our emotions are the frequency that we emit out into the field, out into the universe.

And so when our thoughts, our emotions, and our actions are all in alignment with what it is that we want, we are starting to think like we’re already wealthy. We are starting to act like we’re already wealthy. We’re already taking action and setting up savings accounts and looking at different investments and different things like this cuz we’re thinking and acting like we’re already wealthy, we are now the frequency of wealth.

[00:13:33] Tina: Right.

[00:13:33] Natalie: And then it makes it easy for money and income and so forth to be attracted to us. But you know, we have to do the work first.

[00:13:40] Tina: Yeah. I’m so glad you mentioned the word action because I think that was real big misunderstanding of a lot of people when The Secret came out of, okay, sit in a La-Z-Boy, scarf down Pringles, and think big thoughts and boom, it’s all gonna happen.

[00:13:52] Natalie: Yeah. And then a bike will just appear in my living room.

[00:13:55] Tina: That’s right. So the action part is you start to behave as if it already were.

[00:14:02] Natalie: Mm-hmm.

[00:14:02] Tina: And this is part of the being, of who you are being. And I talk about that you can’t create your future from your past. You have to create your future from your future.

And meaning, you can draw the best out of your past, the things that have served you or helped you, and kind of weave those into that tapestry of where you wanna go and start creating the future from your future by already starting to embody what that looks like, right?

[00:14:25] Natalie: Yeah. Well, we can only create a future from the unknown. The thing is, if we are living every day the same, if we’re getting up same time, going through the same motions every morning, eating the same breakfast, driving the same way to work, we are just creating history. We are just creating the past. We need to be able to change things up.

Like I have a morning practice that consists of five different things, and I don’t do them the same way every single day. I love being in the unknown. Like when the pandemic hit, I’m like, “Ooh, let’s see where this heads.” And it helped with my mental, you know, with my mental wherewithal, cuz it’s like, “Ooh, who knows what’s gonna happen here.”

But you know, we can’t be doing the same thing over and over again because by doing that, we are keeping ourselves chained to our old behavior patterns and our old thoughts and our old limiting beliefs about ourselves that are keeping us in this place when we wanna go somewhere else.

And to be able to do that, we need to mix things up. And by mixing things up, we are increasing our brain plasticity. We are opening ourselves up to surprise.

We wanted the universe, like when we’re talking law of attraction, we’re leveraging the power of the universe to help us. Yes, we’re gonna take action and do the work, but all those serendipitous things that come in that we could never have planned for in a million years, that’s what we are talking about when we are leveraging the power of the universe.

But we can only receive those gifts if we are open to it. But if we’re in groundhog day every single day, we can’t allow that to come in. So it’s important that we kind of, you know, embrace the unknown or the surprise in life.

[00:15:58] Tina: I think as we get older, a lot of times people are afraid of that. They start to develop what they identify as fear about that because, you know, when any of us stayed the same thing year after year, doing the same stuff, thinking the same thoughts, because it “seems comfortable”, right? But it’s really a self-limiting behavior because we’re not expanding beyond what seemingly is comfortable, but is actually keeping us held back.

And sometimes people say, “Well, I’m just gonna wait right now before I make this decision, or before I invest in this program, or before I go on this vacation because I’m just gonna maintain status quo.” But one of my thoughts about that is that everything is energy. I mean, that’s science that everything is energy. It’s not like some, woo, we made this thing up today or anything.

And nothing stays the same. Nothing stays completely static. So you’re either moving forward or back in estimation, but you’re not just staying in the same place. And so sometimes when people say, “Well, you know, I’m gonna wait to do this thing,” they think they’re maintaining, and they’re actually losing ground.

And so then energetically, as you lose the momentum, you’ve got to take the time then to build that momentum back up before you even get to where you were, to move past that. And I think there’s so many aspects of this. You know, I work with people, especially now specializing in people, who tend to be over 50.

I have that Anti-Retirement Renegade Boomer Movement, and really what that’s about in my mind is that we continue to grow and expand and have impact on the world and bring up the dreams that might be like little tiny spark that we’ve just kind of let sit over there in the shadows because it’s not time cuz I’m gonna wait cuz of this side or the other.

[00:17:28] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:17:28] Tina: The other aspect is our identities. Like, someone who has been in corporate life, say for 30 years, and it’s kind of like, “I don’t even know who I am anymore.” You often hear women say that, that have been perhaps been mothers, and they’re at the point of saying, “I’ve cared for everybody else. I don’t know who I am anymore.”

How do you feel about how Mind Movies even could help someone start peeling back those layers of let’s get to where the core of who you really are because we’re spiritual beings, right?

[00:17:50] Natalie: Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that’s what I was gonna say. Spiritual practice is really important when it comes to those kind of things.

In the last few years, not only have I had really dived deeper into my spiritual practice, but I’ve been in many spiritual ceremonies and different things and I’ve had some incredible insights.

When we talk about manifesting, you know, I can talk about being in your happy place and setting an intention and taking action, and so forth. But the last step to that process is surrender, which is very difficult. And by surrender, you can understand it cerebrally, but to practice it is something different.

And surrender means that you know that everything that’s happening is happening in divine timing exactly the way it’s supposed to. Whatever shows up is meant to show up. So when something like a pandemic shows up, you’re like, “Hooh, okay, well this is meant to be. What am I learning from here? What am I meant to know? Or how can I grow from this experience?”

And I think that as we get older, cuz you think about our parents at this age, they were on the slow decline into the end of their life. But with this next generation, I think what keeps us youthful and what keeps us alive and feeling great and positive about ourselves is this purpose, is this meaning to our life, is this fulfillment. And without that, we are on that slow decline into our twilight years where nothing much is happening. But we know that we have the ability, and even now it’s like, “At 50, pfft, I’m just getting started. Are you kidding me? Like bring it.” Because we have the health and the vitality and the life experience now to be able to apply to something and make a great advancement.

And I think too, as we get older, I think attachment starts to get a little bit more advanced because we are like, “Well, if I’m this age and if I lose money and if I lose things then, you know,” so we get a little bit more attached to things. You know, to really open up and allow extra things to come in, we have to operate from a place of detachment to a certain extent.

[00:19:51] Tina: Yeah. It’s really a growing process, at least my journey with any of this. And when we talk about the universe, I also just wanna add that this is how ever anyone interprets that. You know, God.

[00:20:01] Natalie: Oh yes. Yeah.

[00:20:02] Tina: Universe, Allah, you know, how ever you interpret that for yourself. It’s not a specific religion or a church or anything like that. It’s for each person to identify what that is. But really just believing there is something, a greater purpose to our experience here in our earthly form, right?

[00:20:17] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:20:17] Tina: That’s kinda how I think of it. But also thinking about the thoughts that we have, you know, we’re just barraged with thoughts every single day. And that detachment, I’m starting to think of it like a river, kind of a river of thought, you know? And you can let it flow by. You don’t have to attach to every single one. You can choose where are you gonna go with that? And it does take some practice really of kind of flexing that muscle, so to speak, of learning how to make that, that we are not our thoughts, right?

[00:20:44] Natalie: Right.

[00:20:44] Tina: We’re the thinker of our thoughts and that we can start to choose our pathway with that and what we can let go of. And there’s so much potential healing in that, you know, where we hold onto resentments and the terrible things that might have happened. We’ve all had hard things happen and, and what do we do with them, right?

[00:21:00] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:21:00] Tina: And so, I think Mind Movies can be used, the concept of it. And I know you’re working on a new platform for it, so it is gonna be even more amazing. But, you know, I love the music aspect as well because it’s like I talk about having a chillometer when I get chills all over, you know. And that can happen with music where it moves you emotionally that’s why people cry over certain types of music or laugh or feel like jumping up and dancing or find it to be kind of too somber, you know, it really affects our emotions.

So how do you see Mind Movies being able to help with these?

[00:21:30] Natalie: Yeah. So Mind Movie, you can really make it for anything. I normally at the beginning of every year make a general mind movie. So I have about four or five different slides in there about each, you know, health and business and whatever and love and the whole thing.

But then you can also do specific ones, like I have one specifically for the kids program. I have one specifically for love. I have one for health.

But you can also make one about describing the person that you want to be, and not just the person that you wanna be but how you wanna show up, how you want people to see you, how you need to change your thoughts to become this person and what those thoughts are. Those can be the kind of things that you can include.

You know, I know Jack Canfield at the beginning of every year, he sits down and goes, “Okay, I wanna-“ Because he likes to take on a new personality trait every year to expand himself and to be a better person, so he chooses something that he’s going to commit to, to that year, incorporating into who he is.

So what are the personality traits that you want to take on or that you want to be? And then also looking at your values. Like, I think that when we’re younger, our core values on different things like health and love and money and family are different than when we’re older.

We have to revisit your core values and go, “Well, what’s most important to me now? What’s something that I really wanna champion or that I know that’s important to me, that it’s a non-negotiable?” And add those in there as well.

So, you know, a mind movie is like about 25, 30 slides or so, that’s 25 or 30 affirmations. If you can look at those different types of things and type them out as an affirmation and add them to a mind movie, it really does help you to get a clear vision of how you wanna show up in the world.

And, for me, I can give you the mechanics of how to apply the law of attraction. It’s a very simple formula, but I think what the difference is between people who apply that formula and get success and those who are still struggling with it is who you are and how you show up.

[00:23:30] Tina: Yeah. So do you wanna share that formula? I bet there’s people going, “What is it?”

[00:23:34] Natalie: Yeah. Six steps. It’s six simple steps. So the first one, cuz you know, we are talking about frequency, and we know our emotions all carry different frequencies.

So low frequency emotions are things like anger and frustration and helplessness and so forth. But our higher frequency emotions, which is where we are more coherent or more connected to the unified field of things like happiness and joy and gratitude and peace and contentment and accomplishment and all of those. So we need to be in that higher frequency.

So I always start out before I start to do a mind movie. And to be honest with you, I found that this is the gateway to everything amazing cuz on the other side of this is everything amazing that’s ever happened in my life, and that’s gratitude.

And not just going, “Okay, I’m gonna write down five things.” Writing, that’s just going through the motions. You’ve gotta feel it. You’ve gotta really feel it to the point of tears, to the point of like, I feel like my chest is gonna explode and I’ve got tears down my face cuz I’m so grateful for all these things that I have, and all these things that are coming to me and who I am.

So, I’m in my happy place first and my high frequency emotions. Then I set step two as I set an intention, and an intention to me is like a line in the sand.

This is a, no matter what, I have an outrageously successful business, which enables me to care for my family and travel and serve the people that I wanna serve.

I am in a loving and passionate romantic relationship that fills me with joy, and I get to travel and blah, blah, blah.

So whatever that is, but it’s a line in the sand saying this is happening. And when I write this out, I stick it on the mirror in my bathroom, and then every morning for a week, I look myself in the eyes in the mirror, and I say this thing with so much conviction and so much resolve that even I believe it’s gonna happen.

It’s like, “This is going down. This is what I’m doing.” And it’s like I’m building my belief and expectation as I do this. So that’s step number two.

Step number three is to get clear. Now we need to drill down a little bit. And this is where I get people to write their affirmations. So you wanna think about what it is that you want and write it as if you’ve already got it. You wanna think about what life looks like when you get there cuz this is kind of the juice that you use for your visualizations.

So again, describe what does your day look like? What does this mean to your family? Like, what does that look like to you? How does it change your life?

The next one is your why affirmations, which is important because if you don’t know why and you don’t have a reason to push you and get you over these obstacles that are inevitably going to come up, then you’ll just get stuck. And when you’re thinking about why, think about the why for the people that you love, for the people that you serve, and then for yourself, obviously.

Then you wanna think about any actions you need to take. And write them in as an affirmation so that when you’re looking at this list or watching your mind movie, you’re reminding yourself all the time and you’re also in your mind see yourself already completing these tasks, which makes it so much easier to get them done.

And then the last one is your though affirmations, and I mentioned this before, like how do I need to change the way I think? Like, I’ve got a lot of negative limiting beliefs coming up. If I’m choosing to release those, what am I replacing them with? Think about those kind of things. So that’s step number three. We’re drilling deep. We’re getting clear.

Step number four is to visualize on a fairly regular basis and we do visualizations rather than kind of closing your eyes and seeing yourself as a character in a movie, you wanna put yourself in a moment as if it’s happening now.

An example of this is, you know, I worked with Dr. Joe Dispenza for like 10 years. He was using Mind Movies in his big events.

And so there was one woman in Australia, she was struggling financially and her and her husband put their house on the market to try and alleviate some of the debt. And it had been on the market for a month and had no offers.

And she was at the Dr. Joe event. So when she was doing this particular exercise, she put herself in the moment where she’s in her living room. She can feel the pen in her hand. She can see herself signing the contract. She can smell the real estate agent’s after shave, and she can feel the bubbles of the champagne on her nose and tasting the champagne like she is so immersed in that moment using all of her senses. And the emotion that she’s feeling is relief. She’s just feeling relief. Like, thank God this is done.

And of course, that night, she goes back to her hotel room and her husband had left a text message and he goes, “Look, we just got an offer on the house, but it’s not what we want, but I think we should take it.”

And she’s like, “No, just wait one more day.” So she did the process again the next day, and then I think three days later, they got an offer for what they wanted.

So, you know, once you create that moment in your mind the first couple of times, you don’t have to be sitting down with your eyes closed to be able to relive that. You could be driving the car or vacuuming the house. You could just daydream and just go there in your mind while you’re doing something that takes no conscious thought.

[00:28:41] Tina: Let the subconscious theater process really.

[00:28:43] Natalie: Yeah. Yeah. So the more often you do it, the more you aligned with it. So that’s visualization.

And of course, the next one is action, any action, it doesn’t matter what you do, it’s all roads are gonna lead to where you need to go.

And then the last one, which I mentioned before, is surrender, knowing that it’s probably not gonna show up the way that you think. It’s definitely not gonna show how you think it’s gonna show up. You can’t be married to a certain way of it showing up. You have to be open to some left field way that you could never have thought of yourself because that’s how it works, you know? So, when you’re open to that and just surrendering and going, “Look, it’s gonna happen exactly when it’s meant to. Show up in the way that it looks,” and have to be open to that.

[00:29:22] Tina: I hope everybody took notes and if not, listen to this again.

[00:29:25] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:29:27] Tina: The part you said about looking in the mirror, I’ve done that before. And it can be really very deep into your soul to look into your own eyes in a mirror and be saying certain things, I mean, to the point of tears, really, because you really experience yourself in a different way when you do that?

[00:29:42] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:29:42] Tina: Not thinking like, how’s my hair and how’s my makeup, whatever. Really looking to your own eyes and saying these things.

[00:29:48] Natalie: Yeah. With my intentions, I don’t get, I’m just like, “This is it. This is happening. This is going down.” I had done that before but with the I Love You diet. This is where you stand naked and you look at yourself and you go, I love you. And for someone who, I can admit I’ve struggled with body issues for many years, that is the hardest thing I’ve done when I’m looking at myself cuz that is a lot of tears cuz you get to a point where you accept yourself the way that you are, you know? For some of us, it’s a little difficult.

[00:30:20] Tina: I think I can totally understand and relate to it as well. And I think we can all remember really, you know, I’ve heard people before say, “Well, you know, you’re not broken.” I was kinda like, “Oh yeah, well maybe.”

But then if you really start your own spiritual journey with this and realize we all come into our earthly form completely well, completely healthy. I mean, as far as our spiritual aspect of us, the spirit that makes us a human, that we come in, in just the purest state of wholeness. And it’s all the other things about our life experience, our human experiences, that start to put dents and arrows, and wounds into that.

Because when we talk about how our brains are developed, just think about before we’re even consciously thinking thoughts, how much has been taken in by an infant, right? Maybe the news is on and what’s on that that’s being absorbed into that little brain. Or maybe the parents are having an argument in the other room, or there’s tension in the house, or, you know, whatever it may be.

I think I have the statistics, something like 85,000 times before we’re five or something, how many hundreds of thousands of times we hear the word no by the time we’re maybe 18 actually. And so we’ve been just really programmed that way, programmed that way.

And so it’s kind of unraveling of some of this. It’s not blaming anybody. It’s not saying, you know, casting blame or let’s look for the guilty parties that caused this or whatever. But just really taking responsibility for ourselves and our own ongoing growth, you know?

[00:31:43] Natalie: Well, I mean, it’s a whole other level these days between social media, online, Google, everything, the algorithms, how they’re set up, what we are purposely being fed, and how we’re all purposely being fed something different depending on our political lean or whatever.

So it takes it to a whole, whole new level. And then you put on top of all of that indoctrination and manipulation and so forth, our childhood experience.

[00:32:07] Tina: Yeah.

[00:32:08] Natalie: And I grew up, I’m one of eight kids. So, you know, we all experienced very similar events and we all experienced it differently, and we all saw it differently.

[00:32:19] Tina: Yeah. And probably I think any of us that we think we see the world as it is to us.

[00:32:26] Natalie: To us. Yeah.

[00:32:27] Tina: And it can look completely different and feel completely different if someone’s sitting right next to you looking at the same view or the same conversation, that they’re experiencing it in a different way.

I mean, I think it’s just such a fascinating topic. We could probably talk all day about this. But what it comes down to is I love how you’ve taken something to start of kind of like a marketing, “This’ll be cool. People will love this. It’s The Secret,” kind of thinking like that and how that has grown and matured into something with even more impact and even deeper meaning and purpose and outcomes for people using that original thought that you had, the original insight that you were given.

[00:33:04] Natalie: It’s interesting that you say that cuz you know, it depends on who you talk to. Like, if you talk to Glen, who’s my business partner/ex-husband, he’s like, “Yeah. This is a really cool thing. We could market this.” He looked at it as a business opportunity. He could see the potential in it and all of that. So it was great.

But me, my first career was in fitness in Australia, and I spent 11 years. I started running fitness clubs, managing fitness clubs when I was 21 years old, and I always worked for people who wanted to invest in their teams. So I got paid to go to Tony Robbins and Jim Rohn and Zig Ziglar and all those guys back in the day.

So, I already had this personal development foundation, and I really felt like in that career, I was making a difference and helping people and all of that. And then I met Glen, and then we bought a nightclub and that went sideways for a little while.

[00:33:56] Tina: Those were the party years.

[00:33:57] Natalie: Yeah. Like party, party years. And I’m like, okay. So when we started Mind Movies and originally put up the website in 2007, and we started getting emails from people going, “This is changing my life,” it ignited that feeling for me. So for Glen, like, and thank God cuz you know, he’s driving the business and everything and I’m like touchy feely, I wanna help people on this side, which is why we make a good business partnership together because for me it was always about helping people.

[00:34:25] Tina: Yeah. That’s awesome, Natalie. And, you know, I’ve always experienced you as that kind of a person. That’s been how you’ve occurred to me since we met way back then.

[00:34:33] Natalie: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:34] Tina: The Frank Kern surfer dude days.

[00:34:37] Natalie: Well, those were the days.

[00:34:40] Tina: We have a lot of funny stories to tell, riding in the limousine to John Assaraf’s house for the party afterwards and all of those things. But, you know, and honestly, a little shout out to Frank, I’ve noticed kind of an evolution happening in Frank’s life too on how he’s communicating online and stuff these days.

So it’s been such an interesting journey and I’m just grateful to know you, and it was really close to the beginning of some of my first days as a freelance copywriter. Now, I’ve moved into working much more with private clients with this type of transformation that wanna make this transformation into who am I really going to be at this portion of my life.

And I guess just in our last couple minutes here of our chat, one of the things I really advise people against is that self-ageism, you know, putting those limitations that we grew up with a certain view of, “Well, this is what this age does. This is what you do at this age. This is when you retire.” And I’m all about, no! You know, that we get to create our own best lives, and really this can be the best part when you really realize you have the freedom to do that. Do you have any final thoughts on that as far as just being able to move forward when people are saying, I just don’t know if I can do it or not?

[00:35:44] Natalie: Yeah. You know, it’s not like you have to burn your bridge and throw everything away and then all start again. I mean, you can lean into this.

[00:35:52] Tina: Exactly.

[00:35:52] Natalie: You know, lean into maybe, first of all, going, “Well, who do I wanna be?” And I always like to daydream and go, “Okay, if I had all the money in the world and I didn’t have to worry about money, what would really make me happy? What brings me joy?” And then look at that and go, well, let’s pull at that thread. Let’s see where that could lead.

Maybe I could make money out of it. Maybe I couldn’t. Maybe that’s just something I wanna incorporate in my life that’s gonna help me feel like a better person.

So then from that place, from that higher frequency, I have the ability to see things that I didn’t see before and maybe have belief in myself that I can do something more.

So don’t think that you have to just like, burn your bridge and start all over again. Lean into it. Start just a little bit at a time. And I think the biggest needle mover in our lives or in my life for our business was just making sure I surrounded myself with the right kind of people.

[00:36:45] Tina: Absolutely. Yeah.

[00:36:46] Natalie: You know that mastermind was the smartest decision we ever made, and I’d like to take credit for that because that was my decision. We couldn’t afford it, but I’m like, “We’ll figure it out. We have to be in this group.”

[00:36:57] Tina: And there were hardly any women in that group. You and I and Denise, I think that was about it.

[00:37:02] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:37:03] Tina: There were hardly any women. It was mostly men. So I guess we’ve proven that women are powerful creatures as we move forward.

[00:37:09] Natalie: Oh yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So make sure that you surround yourself with people that help you, that support you. Every time we were doubting ourselves, we’d tap into Frank or anyone in that group and they’d go, “No, guys. This is why this is gonna work. This is why this is a great idea.” So you’re like, “Okay,” which was unusual for us because as Australians, we have this tall poppy thing. So if you’re doing better than everybody else, I’d like to drag you down. But here everyone was just wanting us to succeed. I’m like, “I love this place! We need to hang out here more.”

[00:37:38] Tina: Also, the Australian thing I’ve heard is don’t be a wanker.

[00:37:41] Natalie: Oh, yeah. Well, you know. Well, they think if you think highly of yourself, then you must be a wanker.

[00:37:46] Tina: Yeah. But see, thinking highly of yourself is actually really important because if we can’t love ourselves, how can we love somebody else, right?

[00:37:52] Natalie: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:37:53] Tina: Natalie, it’s been so much fun reconnecting and talking to you about all of this and hearing about the growth that’s happening with this. So where can people find you with the new versions of Mind Movies that are coming soon and the work that you’re doing?

[00:38:04] Natalie: Yeah, so is our main website. You can actually download six pre-made Mind Movies from there if you like. You’ll also get access to the podcast from there as well. And we’ve got some free content as well as information on all the programs.

Now, if you are interested in the Social And Emotional Learning Curriculum for your children’s or grandchildren’s school, then if you go to, you’ll be able to reach me through there as well, find out a lot of information about that.

[00:38:31] Tina: Cool. Important work. So thanks so much for being here, Natalie. I love talking with you and I really hope that our conversation is helping those that are listening to this right now.

[00:38:39] Natalie: Me too. Thank you so much, darling.

[00:38:41] Tina: You’re welcome.

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