Inspiring stories of success, joy and refusing retirement from renegades rocking life after 50.

Featuring Robin Albin

Episode 004 Reimage Longevity Through Sensual Wellness™

Maybe you’re wondering, what exactly does our sensuality have to do with longevity? HINT: It might not be what you’re thinking right this very minute, and goes far beyond the obvious! In fact, you may be surprised how important your senses are, when it comes to living a long and healthy life. I particularly love our exploration of our more internalized senses, like Sense of Humor for instance! We do share a lot of laughter on this episode, as well as thoughtful insights that just might change how YOU feel and experience life as you grow older. A favorite quote: “She (or he!) who laughs, lasts.” Tune in for a spicy and fun conversation!

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“Polarizing is a good thing because the worst thing that can happen to anything is indifference.” Robin Albin

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This was such a spicy episode! Have you heard of the Cinderella senses? Robin walks us through what these are and how we can use them. I think you will love it!

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[00:00:00] Tina: Hey there. This is Tina Lorenz with the Renegade Boomer™ Podcast, and I wanna welcome you today and welcome my guest, Robin Albin. I’ve been so excited to interview Robin because as you’ll see as I just do a little intro for her, she has done so many things and still is. She’s the founder of Insurgents, which we’ll talk about in just a minute.

And she’s a serial brand innovator, a strategist, a virtual Swiss Army Knife of creativity. And she founded Insurgents with the goal of partnering with brave business leaders who wanna break through barriers and, you know, the bureaucratic BS, all that kind of stuff to uncover new worlds of opportunity. She’s done so many amazing things that would take me half this podcast to share them all with you.

But she’s helped invent over 50 brands and steer them to success, including Origins Natural Resources. I had to pick that one out of her list. And Sensegen Taste, Smell & Beauty, as well as working with major brands like you’re probably gonna recognize Estée Lauder, Revlon, Calvin Klein, Johnson & Johnson, and so many other ways that she has been involved in mentoring and storytelling and been on panels and done so many things to help community as well.

And now, we’re gonna talk about this today cuz she’s the co-founder of Everlusting™, a consultancy reimagining longevity through our senses and our sensual wellness. And that is all about intensifying our senses, particularly what she calls the Cinderella senses of taste, smell, and touch. And wow, Robin!

[00:01:23] Robin: Oh my goodness. What an intro. Thank you, Tina, for having me. This is so much fun. And you know, I love, love, love your background, talking about a sensory experience. You know, I could almost just smell all of the flowers that you have there, although they’re orchids and orchids don’t really have an aroma, right?

[00:01:42] Tina: No, not really. And, and I’m just all about the energy of color as well.

[00:01:46] Robin: Well, that’s one of the senses, and you know, it’s very, very tied into our sense of smell and taste because one of the things that we learned, and I don’t wanna jump the gun, but one of the things that we learned in Everlusting™ is that there is no way to separate our senses from one another.

It’s called intersensuality. And when you see a color or you see a plate setting, it’s so much can dictate what you smell and how you taste. So all of our senses are intertwined in a very, very powerful and a bit magical way. But anyway, I’m hijacking your podcast.

[00:02:24] Tina: What a surprise. I mean, you are an insurgent after all.

[00:02:29] Robin: Well, we’ve already discussed this, you know, that the Renegade Boomer™ and the Insurgent belong together, so here we go.

[00:02:36] Tina: Rabble-rousers.

[00:02:38] Robin: Right. It’s all about that. I have “The Pirates Inside” as being one of the books that I’m currently reading by Adam Morgan.

[00:02:46] Tina: I have a magnet on my refrigerator that says, well-behaved women seldom make history. So let’s make some history.

[00:02:51] Robin: Right.

[00:02:52] Tina: But one of the things I wanna make sure that we chat about a bit is that you write beautiful copy.

[00:02:56] Robin: Oh, thank you.

[00:02:57] Tina: Did you ever completely identify yourself as a copywriter? Has it always been part of your branding?

[00:03:02] Robin: No. As a matter of fact, I had no idea that being a copywriter was something you could be when you grew up.

I had gone to college to be a painter, to be a painting major, and when I found that I really didn’t have anything vital to say visually, I decided I was gonna be an art critic.

And I was pounding the pavement trying to get a job as an art critic. And every magazine I went to said, “You have no journalism background. You’re not a writer, so how can we possibly hire you?” And so a good friend of mine said, “You should go into advertising.” And I said, “That’s a prostitution of the arts.” I was very high-minded at the time.

And he convinced me to audition for a copywriting role. I had no idea even what that was. But I thought this is a way to get some writing experience so that I could go be an art critic. And so I got a job working in an agency and fell in love with it. And by the time I was offered a job at ARTNews to work somewhere in the back, the bowels of the magazine, I said, “I’m not an art fart. I’m an advertising person.”

So I fell in love with advertising, and I just kind of took to it. It just was something that delighted me and it was funny cuz I was just reading an article about what makes a great screenwriter and the author of this particular book said it’s joy. If you feel joyful about it, you become a great writer. You have to be able to love writing, and I always tell people all the time that for me, writing is like composing music. I’m not a musical person, but when I sit down at the computer and I’m typing out my words and lyrics, they are very musical to me.

[00:04:55] Tina: I know, I understand that completely. And there used to be a television show. Now the name of it escapes me. It was on a couple years ago. But they mentored songwriters who also performed, and I thought at the time, I’ve thought that many times myself, there’s a lyrical quality to the art of copywriting, right? The rhythms, the kind of words we choose. You know, using triads, like three, using things that flow in threes.

[00:05:18] Robin: Totally. And people don’t realize that, but you know, there is a chorus and a refrain. And you wanna punctuate. You don’t wanna have a continuation of long sentences. You put someone to sleep. So you need to be able to have some staccato built into the long sentence. It is very musical.

[00:05:36] Tina: It is joyful. I feel the energy just in talking about it, you know. And I hesitate to even say this because I don’t wanna have the whole podcast be about a very hot topic right now, but I’m pretty sure you have a strong opinion, AI and ChatGPT, and people are so afraid it’s going to take over the role of writing everything, and I have very strong opinions on it. I bet you do too. So what do you think?

[00:05:57] Robin: I do, and I’m really trying to be open-minded about it because I consider myself an open-minded person. And I must admit that I started reading about it, and I got really mad because for me it’s not this instantaneous, you know, this AI piece of writing that doesn’t have a soul to it.

And I worked so hard at my writing and craft it, and I can spend as long as a couple of hours writing one sentence and rewriting it. The initial sentence to anything that I write so dictates everything that happens after that. So, I don’t know, I wanna be an open-minded person and I’m pursuing it. I’m gonna try and learn and find out how to use it in a creative way.

[00:06:44] Tina: Well, I think, just briefly on this one topic, I think it might be useful as a tool in some ways as we learn more about it. But when you said the joy, the joy of writing, there is no way, excuse me.

[00:06:57] Robin: Yeah. I know.

[00:06:57] Tina: You cannot put that spirit and soul and heart into automation in my opinion, and I think it’ll be a sad day if we ever said that was the only way, right?

[00:07:06] Robin: I actually had a dinner party on Saturday night and one of my friends is an intellectual property attorney. So first thing that I asked her was, “What are you thinking about Chat?”

And she said, “You’ve gotta think about it the same way that Google search, when people first were introduced to Google, everybody was, ‘This is horrible. This is terrible.’ And now you can’t live without it.”

So, again, I’m trying to be open-minded because, you know, when we talk about Everlusting™, and I share with you my tagline, which is, I may be older, but I will never be old.

And that part of never being old is being open to new things and what’s happening in the world.

[00:07:48] Tina: I agree.

[00:07:48] Robin: I would be totally hypocritical if I put the kibosh on it.

[00:07:51] Tina: Yeah. I feel the same way. I don’t wanna be closed to it, you know. So I think it’s kind of fun to play with. I have messed with it a little bit, but I think bottom line for this is I believe there’ll always be a need for humans to be copywriters, human copywriters even though for both you and I that’s not the main thing we’re doing in our businesses now. But I gotta say, you write gorgeous copy.

[00:08:11] Robin: Oh, thank you.

[00:08:11] Tina: I highly recommend that you track down some of Robin’s work because, I mean, I get chills just talking to you about it.

[00:08:17] Robin: Oh, thank you.

[00:08:18] Tina: Seriously, it sounds like I’m fangirling here, but I honestly don’t often wax poetic about somebody else’s copy, but yours is really beautiful. It’s really good.

[00:08:26] Robin: Oh, thank you so much. I hope it’s fun because that’s what I really try and do with the writing that I do. I try and make it interesting and fun to read as opposed to be laborious.

[00:08:37] Tina: So let’s talk about Everlusting™ because right off the bat, I’m thinking, does the name scare some people?

[00:08:43] Robin: Yes, of course.

[00:08:44] Tina: And I bet it does. And so that’s one of the things in our marketing and in our mindset about what we’re communicating in our messaging is not to be afraid to be polarizing, right?

[00:08:54] Robin: Well, as a matter of fact, it scared the bejeezus out of my partner, Daria Myers, who’s a very longtime friend, and we were together at the foundation of Origins. And so she certainly knows that I’m a bit of a renegade, and that polarizing is a good thing because the worst thing that can happen to anything is indifference. You want people to love or hate because that’s an emotion, you know, then you’re ginning up an emotion. And so, yes, Everlusting™, it could be controversial, particularly implying sexuality, which we are not doing. We’re working with sensuality and sensual wellness as opposed to sexual wellness.

So that little bit of confusion can be very polarizing, but I believe that that makes people be more intrigued and more apt to say, “What is she talking about? What are they doing here?” And wanna find out a little bit more, I believe in human curiosity. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe in this day and age, everyone takes everything at the surface, but I wanna believe in curiosity.

[00:10:02] Tina: Well, I think we need to believe in curiosity because that’s kind of what we were just talking about. We get to a point in life where we say, “I’m no longer curious. I have these ironclad, solid opinions about everything.” And we’re not open to at least looking, exploring, understanding.

I mean, I think this reaches far beyond a product, marketing, you know, that it reaches into how we are all combined on the planet, if we believe that we have some connection beyond ourselves in some way.

[00:10:27] Robin: And that’s why when we talk about sensual wellness, you mentioned it before, we are talking about the five senses with a bit of an emphasis on what are called the Cinderella senses, which are smell, taste, and touch.

[00:10:42] Tina: Excuse me, just for a second, but I really want people to understand what you mean cuz sometimes when we use certain terminology, we think, well people understand, but what is meant by the Cinderella- Why is it called that?

[00:10:52] Robin: Well, of course when you think about Cinderella, she wasn’t invited to the ball, and so she just was cast aside and starting with Aristotle, who really, really said humans have no sense of smell. I’m paraphrasing. He didn’t quite say it that way, but, you know, that our sense of smell has been diminished, both in terms of our appreciation for it from our health and wellbeing point of view. But think about when you say, I see, I hear, I touch, I smell, and it has a negative connotation even in terms of both as a verb and as an adjective.

And we have, as particularly in the United States, have a very puritanical attitude towards smell. And we’ve been taught that by the advertising business. We want our clothes to smell well. We want our underarms to smell well, and now we want our Lume private parts to smell well.

And you know, we’re very, very conscious of things that smell poorly or bad. But our sense of smell is really, really critical to every aspect of our lifestyle, both from a pleasure point of view, from an aesthetic point of view, but from a health, wellness, safety, and independence point of view.

Starting at age 40, believe it or not, our sense of smell begins to decline. The olfactory neurons aren’t replaced as frequently as they are in earlier years. It’s very subtle and subliminal, therefore it’s not really noticed until it’s gone.

So part of what we are suggesting, as part of Everlusting™ is to build this awareness of your sense of smell and begin to heighten it and train it and begin to really become aware of it so that as it starts to change or deteriorate, you notice it because you might not notice it.

And actually our sense of smell and smell loss, besides everything that people during Covid experience with anosmia, which is smell loss, and parosmia, which is a warped sense of smell, which means that everything smells like gas or vomit or something really vile. People had an awareness of it. And now that Covid is kind of a back burner in people’s minds, we’ve come to accept it as a way of life. This awareness of anosmia has kind of died down a little bit.

But actually anosmia is one of the early warning signs of neurological diseases like Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s.

And funny anecdote about seven years ago or so, my mom who is Jewish and speaks in Yiddish frequently, when we would go out to dinner, she would say that the food has no taste, and we would say, “What are you talking about? The food is delicious.” She would say, “No taste!” And that was the end of dinner because then she was in a terrible mood, and it ruined it for everybody. Lo and behold, she developed Alzheimer’s.

[00:14:01] Tina: Oh wow.

[00:14:02] Robin: And had we been aware of that, we might have said, gee, that’s really strange that we’re eating the same thing she’s eating and it’s delicious, and she doesn’t think- We might have noticed. It might have piqued our curiosity as to is there something else cooking here?

Not that there is at this point much that can be done about it, but the awareness and beginning to notice things progress is a good thing.

[00:14:29] Tina: Yeah. I knew that about Parkinson’s in particular. I was not aware that that was also a sign of Alzheimer’s. And I’m sorry that that was the case for your mom.

But you mentioned Covid, and I know some people personally have said, “Well, I had Covid.” And I mean, almost at this point, we can almost all say that, it seems like.

[00:14:45] Robin: Right. Right.

[00:14:46] Tina: But they have not regained their sense of smell or taste. So is there anything in the work you’re doing with this that can help people like that? I’ve heard different things of, “Oh, someone gave me an essential oil and suddenly, this started happening. I started to regain-“

[00:15:00] Robin: Well, again, it’s a little bit about training your senses. They suggest that you can begin to distinguish the difference between different aromas, you know, a citrus aroma versus a floral versus an aldehyde aroma, or a woodsy aroma, and to start practicing smelling things. You could go right to your kitchen cabinet and take a look at all the spices you have there. Just doing this as part of your routine, like brushing your teeth to start to build awareness.

Unfortunately, at this point, we can’t restore our sense of smell. But there’s a lot of studies and there are a lot of terrific, terrific startups that are looking at that. You know, how can we regenerate our neurons, our olfactory neurons.

[00:15:49] Tina: This almost sounds like, I’m thinking about the Sensegen, is that one of the companies?

[00:15:53] Robin: Yeah. Sensegen, yeah.

[00:15:54] Tina: It almost relates, and I looked at their site actually when I was just checking out the kinds of stuff that you’ve done, doing my homework, you know, and it has a very luscious feel to that site. Don’t they work with flavors and that type of thing?

[00:16:06] Robin: Yes, that’s exactly what they do. They use biotech to help develop natural fragrances and flavor for all of the products, you know, everything from yogurts to sodas to alcohol, and yeah, I’m actually talking to them a little bit about maybe pursuing or collaborating with Everlusting™ and seeing if there’s something that we could do to reach an audience that nobody’s really talking to about senses.

[00:16:33] Tina: Scratch and Sniff books for grownups.

[00:16:35] Robin: Scratch and Sniff books for grownups. Yeah. Again, so that really talks about the Cinderella senses and obviously we have different taste buds in our mouth, in the tip of our tongue and the back of our throat.

And our sense of smell and our sense of taste are deeply connected. And there’s a difference between flavor and taste. There’s only six tastes, which are sweet, salty umami, which is just recently discovered.

And then flavor is like, is it a raspberry or is it a cherry? And so what happens also as you begin to lose your sense of smell and taste, you begin to lose this acknowledgement of flavor as my mom did. And what happens is you start to overcompensate by adding more sugar to make it sweet, cuz you could taste sweet.

[00:17:28] Tina: More salt.

[00:17:28] Robin: And you could taste salt. And that leads to a whole bunch of other diseases, everything from cardiovascular disease to obesity. And so that’s where this whole idea of recognizing your sense of smell and taste as being the next great awakening in longevity and our essential wellness.

But we have gone beyond the five senses. We believe that there are the other senses, which are, again, we talked about sense of curiosity, or a sense of adventure, or a sense of purpose, or a sense of justice.

And what we started talking about most importantly is having a sense of humor. And once you lose that sense, you know, I had written a line a long time ago, “She or he who laughs lasts.” You know, that having a sense of humor and not being critical and negative is an important aspect of longevity.

In addition to those senses, there are other senses that we neglect all the time. Sense of balance. Sense of movement. Sense of hot and cold. Sense of pain, which is deeply connected to our sense of touch.

So we’re actually writing a book. It’s called “The Sensual Revolution,” and we’re gonna talk about all of those senses and how they come together and how independently we wanna be able to nurture them and begin to notice their value and importance early. We’re not talking to 90, you know, we’re talking to an elderly audience. But more importantly, we’re talking to a young audience at a time when you can really do something about this.

[00:19:15] Tina: There’s so many things about this that, you know, we can probably spend the day discussing. Yeah. Because like, even when you talk about not losing your sense of humor along with all the other things, balance all these things as a person gets older because I feel like I’m kind of like an anti-ageism sort of movement with the anti-retirement movement for Renegade Boomer™ because there’s so many preconceived notions about what it means to get older, and I think the worst ones of all are the ones we inflict on ourself, kind of that self-ageism.

[00:19:43] Robin: Totally.

[00:19:43] Tina: Or calling yourself a curmudgeon or asking for your senior discount.

[00:19:47] Robin: Or saying you’re having a senior moment, you know?

[00:19:50] Tina: Oh, that one. Oh my gosh! Yeah.

[00:19:53] Robin: Yeah. Self-ageism is really bad news, and I resent when people say to me I’m too old to learn how to X, Y, and Z. I think I told you the story.

I do CrossFit and I was at my CrossFit gym, talking to a woman who’s at the station next to mine. She said, “You know, I shouldn’t be doing this. I’m 50.” And I thought, “What are you talking about? You know, why not? Why not?”

[00:20:16] Tina: Yeah. And that’s a self-inflicted judgment. It is fascinating to me because I started my career as a freelance copywriter, when you’re talking about applying for jobs, I had to do it as a freelancer. I don’t have a degree. I didn’t have any training in it. I had to learn as I went and self-taught all those things. And really, it started with a decision that I was gonna do it. But you know what? I was already past 50. If I had told myself, “Well, I don’t have any experience. I’ve never been paid to write anything. I haven’t been to college. I’ll never get a job doing this,” you know, and instead I had to make a decision. I can do this and I’m going to do this. And I did multiple six figures my first year with no previous experience, right?

[00:20:55] Robin: Well, my idol, my idol these days is Nancy Pelosi. She did not start in politics until she was what, 49 years old.

[00:21:02] Tina: And just only now making a transition at, what is she, 82? You know?

[00:21:07] Robin: Yeah.

[00:21:07] Tina: And still doing what, I read something just recently.

[00:21:09] Robin: Yeah. I still wouldn’t wanna get into a fight with her. We used to say in the advertising business, she’ll do a tap dance on your forehead with her stilettos. Not Nancy specifically, but that was expression that we used about, you know, roaring 🏖️.

[00:21:23] Tina: Like the Devil Wears Prada, you know.

[00:21:24] Robin: Yeah. Totally. Totally.

[00:21:26] Tina: So what are your thoughts about the whole self-limitation thing and how that all fits into what you’re doing with the senses, and how it’s not like trying to stay artificially young, but really embracing where you are, and I call it transcend and integrate, really, that you’re taking some of the best of the past but not living from the past, but living into the future by continuing to create. And I feel like, I mean, I don’t ask anyone their ages when I’ve interviewed them.

[00:21:51] Robin: I don’t have an age. I mean, seriously, I do not believe there are any boundaries. I believe you can do whatever it is that you wanna do. Maybe not to the degree you did it before, but why not?

I don’t believe in limitations and one of the reasons why I don’t ever, I gave up birthdays many, many, many, many years ago. I don’t acknowledge them. I don’t celebrate them. No cakes. No candles. No anything.

Even for my husband, he knows he’s not allowed to say it. I’ve lost track of time. I just do what it is that pleases me and makes me feel valuable and purposeful in my life.

[00:22:30] Tina: So what are your thoughts about traditional retirement? Because I think a lot of people aren’t even aware that like Social Security in the United States, for example, was created when the expected lifespan was about 61 years, and you couldn’t start collecting Social Security until you were 65. So it was built in kind of like, “Well, there won’t be too many people cuz they’ll already be gone,” you know.

[00:22:51] Robin: I think it’s the worst thing that you could do to yourself. Again, I think I’d mentioned this to you, I was reading this book and the author said if someone said jump off a bridge, would you jump off a bridge? So why, when someone says retire at 65, are you doing it? You know. What is that magic number? And it ladders back to the social security conversation.

But I think the worst thing that my dad ever did was retire at 65. However, curmudgeon he was before he retired, after he retired, he really, you know. Talk about having a chip on your shoulder, he had a two by four. And you know, it was all a result of him not feeling he had value or purpose. And he allowed self-ageism and he also allowed stereotypes and labelism to diminish him. And then he wound up living for 30 more years, a miserable human being.

[00:23:50] Tina: Oh wow.

[00:23:51] Robin: No, I mean, it’s true. And so I say that to everybody, you know. Like, I yell at my husband. He says he’s retired. I said, “Don’t ever say that. Don’t ever say that.”

[00:24:01] Tina: I feel like we should retire the word retired, you know?

[00:24:04] Robin: Yeah, totally.

[00:24:04] Tina: I talk about like refire, rewire, rewrite.

[00:24:06] Robin: Well, I’m totally on fire. I don’t believe in retiring. I wrote a piece, I don’t know if you read it in Medium called “When”, and it’s, you know all the whens. When are you gonna get married? When are you gonna have a baby? When are you gonna do this? When are you gonna do that? When are you gonna retire? And I say, when hell freezes over.

[00:24:21] Tina: Yeah. So that was a really easy bottom line, you know. So I’m really coming back to what you said. You saw this with your own father, that identity aspect.

And so that’s some of the work I do when with my private clients is taking them through a process to kind of peel back and of course they have to be willing, you know, they have to be open to that process, but kind of peeling back to who are you. Because you know, I think especially people that have had a specific job category for decades, which that’s kind of going by the wayside at this point too, you know, worked the same place for 30 years. I can’t even imagine. But doing the same kind of like corporate kind of structure.

[00:24:55] Robin: Titles are for books, not for people.

[00:24:57] Tina: Yeah. And so they become, I think a lot of people actually that’s who they see themselves. I am a doctor. I’m a physician. I’m a surgeon. I’m a writer. I’m a mother. I’m a father. But who are they really at their core? Kind of more of a spiritual journey, really.

[00:25:11] Robin: Yeah. Really.

[00:25:12] Tina: And how do they make that transition into, “Well, who do you wanna be? Who do you desire to be? And do you even know where that person is and doing something completely different?”

So we’re talking about moving into this phase of life possibly doing something completely different than they’ve ever done or working, rebooting, so to speak, experience that they’ve had that they wanna do now more on their own terms. So, I’m not saying, and I think you’re probably aligned with this too, of you enjoy your dogs. You’ve in the past been an equestrian, you know, other things about life that you just enjoyed doing, weaving that together into kind of a tapestry of how our life continues to unfold, but we still serve or we still have impact and we still have a message to bring forward. So it isn’t one or the other either/or. It’s just your life, right?

[00:25:58] Robin: I’ll give you another example. My husband did retire. He was in real estate finance. And when 08 hit and the real estate business went belly up, it was a really hard time for someone who runs a boutique agency.

And so he started volunteering for the school board just to see where the dust was gonna settle, and he got bitten by the education bug.

He wound up going back to Columbia and getting a Master’s in Ed Policy. So he wound up having a law degree, being in finance, being in real estate and then being in education. And he wound up as chairman of a charter school that was rebuilding the school. So everything that he had done in his career had value then added onto this value added of being an education nerd.

[00:26:52] Tina: And really inspiring himself with a new interest, a new passion for something.

[00:26:55] Robin: And he is very passionate about education, and he is just joining a new board for another charter school. And, you know, he’s exhilarated by it. It’s not what he did in his first five careers, you know?

So, but there’s something else to do, and I believe that everything that you’ve done in your past prepares you for everything you can do going forward. It’s all a matter of reframing what your experience is.

[00:27:19] Tina: Exactly. That reframing, I think, is such an important aspect of this because one of the other senses when you’re saying a lot, is, I’m thinking that sense of your intuitive guidance system, you know, tapping into that as well, that deep really kinda your own inner GPS, whether you believe it comes from a spiritual source or universal intelligence or how ever someone interprets that for themself as far as continuing to go forward and really not self-inflicting this thought that I have nothing left to offer, no one will listen to me.

So we had mentioned a little bit about getting our eyes checked and getting new glasses and things while we were having a conversation about that. Have you ever had that experience where you’re kind of treated in a patronizing way because someone assumes certain things about how “old” you are?

[00:28:00] Robin: Yes, totally.

[00:28:00] Tina: What do you do with that? I kind of think you might get really direct.

[00:28:04] Robin: Yeah, I do get pretty direct, and I resent it a lot, you know. I really feel that many in the medical profession say, “Now that you’re older.” It’s like what are you talking about? You know. And I think that there is a lot of stereotyping and demeaning that is associated when, you know, again, that’s why I dumped age. I find it too annoying to have to be battling that. There’s so many more worthy things to battle these days.

I have one best doctor in the whole world, and he’s been my doctor for many, many, many years. And I am always saying to him, “Are you gonna retire?” And he said, “In my grave,” which makes me very, very happy.

And he says, the things that you must do frequently is get a good night’s sleep, have sex regularly. He’s a big advocate of sex. Exercise every day, something exercise and he’s just added to the list protein. So now I’m eating a lot of protein. He said that that’s the other magic thing. But if you do those four things frequently, I don’t know.

[00:29:11] Tina: I dunno if you can say every day on some of them for some of us.

[00:29:13] Robin: Yeah. But if you do all of those things consistently, let’s say consistently, you will live a long and healthy and wonderful life.

[00:29:24] Tina: You know, that’s good advice.

[00:29:26] Robin: He’s my favorite doctor.

[00:29:27] Tina: Yeah. Too bad he’s so far away. You were on opposite sides of the country.

[00:29:31] Robin: Right. Right.

[00:29:32] Tina: I was reading about one of the oldest lived individuals. I can’t remember his name, but he was a Japanese physician. Within the last few years, he passed away, but he was 106, I believe.

And one of the things I thought was kind of fun about the story about how he lived was he kept on being a physician all the way into his hundreds. And he in fact had a calendar for appointments that was booked. He had pages five years down his calendar.

[00:29:54] Robin: Fantastic.

[00:29:55] Tina: Yeah. And so, I mean, all the way, just all the way because no one knows.

[00:29:59] Robin: Live until you die, I mean, seriously.

[00:30:01] Tina: Exactly. Didn’t Mark Twain have a really good saying about that?

[00:30:04] Robin: Something like that? Yeah. I can’t remember.

[00:30:06] Tina: All the way to the end kind of thing. So I’d love if you would share with us. When I hear so often, especially for women, maybe because they’re more willing to express it possibly than men might be, but about being afraid to do the new thing.

I’ve had people approach me saying, “Oh, I wish I could do something like that to my hair, but I’m afraid to,” you know, “I’m not brave enough to.”

Or even just learning copywriting a little later in life, like, “I’m afraid,” and it’s like, what are you afraid of? How do you interpret that? Or what would you say to someone that is holding themselves back, especially as they are going through life maturing and think that it’s too late, they’re afraid, any thoughts?

[00:30:44] Robin: I competed as an equestrian for many, many years, and I used to stand at the in gate, I did the hunters and then the jumpers, and then I did dressage. But when you’re waiting at the in gate, you’re standing there going, “I’m gonna make a mess and everybody’s gonna be laughing at me.”

But the thing is that everybody else that’s waiting at the in gate is thinking the exact same thing. So when you go in to do your round, your eight jumps, or 12 jumps or whatever, your dressage test, nobody’s looking at you. Nobody gives a #%! about whether you make a mistake, they’re so worried about themselves. That’s one of my life lessons is nobody’s really looking.

[00:31:25] Tina: We’re not really all that important to anybody.

[00:31:28] Robin: Yeah, nobody’s really paying that much attention. If you do something incredible, someone might say, “Fantastic. That was amazing.” But if you screw up, nobody’s really waiting to slam you down unless it’s in politics, but we won’t get into that now.

[00:31:44] Tina: No, no. Let’s not even.

[00:31:45] Robin: But you know, that’s the reality of what are you afraid of? People aren’t really there to slam you down, so just go for it. If you make a mistake, you make a mistake.

[00:31:55] Tina: Also just the fall down, get back up. I mean, we learn, we learn from all of those things when we have those. Because, you know, life is fluid. Everything isn’t just like, okay, it’s all dialed in. That’s it. It’s set. It’s solid. We should all know by now, after the last few years, anything can happen at any time that starts to make our life look completely unfamiliar from what we thought was our life or what we thought it was gonna look like.

And so part of that adaptability of just being able to choose how you’re thinking about things, making decisions about what you’re gonna allow into your head as far as how you’re thinking every day I think also makes a huge difference as we carry on and go forward and being willing to change.

[00:32:34] Robin: I always say the messed up things that happen in life, the #%! you think is gonna sink you forever can actually be an incredible opportunity for transformation, and be able to make you more resilient, make you stronger, may take you to places you didn’t think were possible.

I mean, when I think about my career, all the times that I was either fired or a job didn’t work out or I lost a client, you know, you go on. You can either make yourself nuts or you can say, learn something. Improved on something and onto the next, you know?

[00:33:11] Tina: Absolutely. I mean, I ended up being in a domestic violence shelter in my 40s before my wonderful current husband. I went through a horrendous scenario in my 40s and I somehow through the mists of trauma and all the things that were happening that happened very quickly and unexpectedly, I knew even then I had to make a decision whether this was going to define me or propel me into something new.

[00:33:33] Robin: Exactly. Exactly.

[00:33:34] Tina: And I think even in the worst of times, if we can hold onto making that type of a choice for ourself and following that path, for example, when you say you don’t have birthdays, I, I never refer to myself or allow myself to be called a “survivor”. No. I’m not a survivor. I’m a thriver. I’m a creator.

[00:33:51] Robin: Right. Love it.

[00:33:52] Tina: I’m a creator of my life. And the message I would love for anyone watching this today is, you know, you can find that inner strength. And obviously, you are a very strong woman that’s had such great influence and impact on those you serve and continue to serve. It’s not an end destination and that you have that desire, that pull to do that.

And I hope anyone watching this will realize wherever they are in that journey, that you can find that in yourself as well. You can find that reservoir of strength and probably already have in many areas of your life that you possibly discounted as, “Oh yeah. But that was just,” you know.

[00:34:24] Robin: And it doesn’t have to be fully-formed. I think that that’s what the big mistake that people make is they go, I’m not strong. Well, you’ll get stronger every day.

[00:34:35] Tina: Yeah. It’s like a muscle, you know?

[00:34:37] Robin: It’s like a muscle. You gotta work it out. Yeah, totally.

[00:34:40] Tina: Any parting words for our viewers today, especially people that are, some of us do have birthdays that we acknowledge, you know, I have a particular affinity for the over 50 because that’s when I started. And so it’s been my pathway that I draw from thinking other people must feel that way as well.

[00:34:56] Robin: Well, again, I ladder back to our tagline for Everlusting™, “I may be older, but I will never be old.” You can be young at 101, you know, all in your head.

[00:35:08] Tina: It really is. It really, really is. And I just thank you so much for being here today. It’s really been a fun conversation. Lively.

[00:35:14] Robin: Yeah, totally. Let’s do it again. Totally.

[00:35:16] Tina: We’ve been tapping into all the senses with the conversation, a lot of spices.

[00:35:20] Robin: Right. Right.

[00:35:20] Tina: Oh, that’s the other thing I was gonna ask you about, because when on the sense of taste, I was thinking here I am in Arizona, cilantro, that some people can taste it and think it tastes awesome. That’s me. And some people are like, “Oh, this is the worst tasting stuff ever.”

[00:35:32] Robin: Taste is a bit cultural as well. You know, things that we grew up with that we might think taste wonderful, to a newbie, they would go, “Ooh, gross.” So, you know, that’s the other reason why it becomes very, very difficult to diagnose smell and taste because of that cultural and that learned aspect of it. It’s not like sight where you could take that exam where they adjust the lenses. Taste and smell, they have a personal aspect to it.

[00:35:59] Tina: Well, not to be too much of a pun sensory wise, but thanks for opening my eyes to this today.

[00:36:05] Robin: Terrific.

[00:36:05] Tina: I can’t help it.

[00:36:06] Robin: Thank you for having me. This was super fun and let’s do it again sometime.

[00:36:11] Tina: Absolutely. Where can people find you, especially the Everlusting™ because I think you’re just opening up doors to a whole new way of thinking that many of us have not even considered. And so where can people find you and learn more about what you do in your work.

[00:36:23] Robin: Well obviously on LinkedIn, you can connect with me, Robin Albin, and then everlusting.com is our website. And then of course, Insurgents, which is I-N-S-U-R-G-E-N-T-S dot.io, you know. So find me, come track me down. Love to talk to you.

[00:36:43] Tina: Absolutely. And I really recommend.

[00:36:44] Robin: Anyone that’s interested in having a conversation.

[00:36:47] Tina: And we spiced it up today. And thank you so much for being here with me today, Robin. And I look forward to talking with you again soon.

[00:36:53] Robin: Well, thank you, Tina. And thank you everyone for listening in.

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